a time when dam safety was really an important area and well, it's still important, it's
always important.
But we were trying to get something done about it. Lloyd was very interested in it, but
he was being forced to spend so much time on military stuff that he couldn't spend the
time on it that he had previously. So, I think, dam safety kind of lost out in that area.
Gianelli wasn't too concerned about it so that when you had the engineering people who
were so busy they didn't have much time to look at it, why it just kind of lost some of the
Q ..
We've talked about the military a little bit and we've talked about Lloyd and a number of
the other civilian people, in your career? about Frank Snyder a little bit. We talked about
Al
we talked about Gail Hathaway. We talked about Francis Slichter. Who else
among the civilians, the key civilian positions, were really the driving forces in Civil
Works while you were there?
A
Well, obviously Wendell Johnson was one.
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Q ..
Oh, I forgot to mention Wendell Johnson.
A
Wendell was always one of the best. There was Tofani, of course.
Q ..
Yes, Joe Tofani.
Everybody knew Joe and his connections and his ability to speak; all that sort of thing.
A
He was one of the prime movers, and he was able to motivate generals in the direction he
wanted them to go. He w a s n ' t bashful about letting them know what the right thing for
them to do was. Somehow he was able to get away with it without getting them ticked off
at him. But, I guess, he had so much influence over in Congress, the general wouldn't say
anything to him anyway.
That's how he got his promotion, you know. He got a major promotion when Congress
passed a law and promoted him above his Division Chief, which really screws up an
organization.