Vernon
A
There were pretty significant changes, I think, then how different elements kind of seemed
to be rising to the top. At the beginning, when I first went [there], engineering was kind
of a top element in the Corps as far as having stature and all that sort of thing. The Chief
of Engineering was probably the top, was considered the top engineer in Civil Works.
Then Planning started emerging, and it was building up. Then Programs and Policy were
all part of Planning when I first went there. Then pretty soon Programs broke off and had
it's own division. Policy broke off and had it's own division. Then the first thing you
know, why Policy is more important than Planning. Programs is another big element.
Steinberg
Bory Steinberg, when he was in charge of Programs, he got it built up to where he was
the right hand man for Gianelli in the Assistant Secretary's office. They talked to him first
before they even talked to the Chief. So he had a lot of influence on what went on. I'm
not saying what he did was wrong. What he was doing, he was doing a really good job.
He's an excellent manager and very technically oriented and all that. But somehow Policy
is the most important thing rather than Engineering or Planning. Policy is all of a sudden
the thing. Well, he moved from Programs to Policy.
Q ..
There was a lot of switching going on there for awhile, wasn't there? In the late
and
early `80%General
as Director of Civil Works made a lot of switches?
A
There were quite a few switches, and then when they moved Engineering from Civil
Works over to military construction [Engineering and Construction].
Duscha
Q ..
When they created Engineering and Construction Directorate?
A
Engineering and Construction [Directorate], they took all of the engineering from Civil
Works except Hydrology and Hydraulics. The reason they didn't take that was, I think,
hopefully I had something to do with keeping them from breaking it all up. They wanted
to split it all up and take hydraulic design over with. Lloyd Duscha wanted to take that
over with him. Some people wanted to break up hydrology and give part of it to
Operations and part of it to Planning, and anybody else that wanted some, why I guess
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