Water Resources: Hydraulics and Hydrology
they could have had some. But, I think, I had persuaded General Wall that that wasn't the
right thing to do.
I don't think General Heiberg [As Deputy Chief of Engineers,
was too concerned
about it, as he was willing to split it up. I tried to convince him that it wouldn't be a good
thing to do. But I wasn't all that convincing, I don't think, as far as he was concerned.
But General Wall seemed to agree that it should stay intact, and so he kind of negotiated
with Lloyd Duscha about, "Well, Gianelli wants to keep that in Civil Works, so he's going
to have some control over it. I'm willing to let Duscha have a lot of the say so in what
these people do. Especially in the structural part of hydraulics. He said, "As far as the
other works are concerned, they can serve you and me. We'll work it out so that we both
get the full service out of H&H. They seemed to work it out pretty good.
Well, that's all gone back now hasn't it.
In the process, the Engineering Division of Civil Works, just lost out
It's gone.
terribly. When Lloyd Duscha was in charge of Engineering Division in Civil Works, he
was the top engineer in the whole Corps of Engineers as far as Civil Works, well, even
as far as military engineering was concerned. He had the highest grade, I think,-of any
of the civilians. Then he moved over to the Engineering and Construction Division
[Directorate] and took all that prestige with him, and he was the deputy over there.
What do they have when they come back? They didn't even have a Chief of Engineering.
They've got an acting Chief. They still don't have a Chief of Engineering as far as I
know. It's still been an acting job and a
is running the Engineering Division in
Civil Works now. The size of the Engineering Division has collapsed so that there is
hardly anybody in it anymore. So it really took a beating in changing from one director
to another. From being a preeminent organization to kind of a back seat organization.
Q ..
Now it's all the other ones that we talked about--Policy, Programs, Planning, and
Operations.
A
Operations, well, and of course part of this took place because Operations was getting the
bulk of the money. Back in the early days when I went into the Chief's office, most of
the money was for construction. Operation and Maintenance was a small part of the
budget compared to the Engineering and Construction.
But then Operations money started becoming more and more prevalent, and finally it was
a much bigger part of the budget than Engineering and Construction. The Operations and
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