More People: Major General John Wall
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But you wouldn't put it beyond them to do that?
Well, Lloyd was willing to do it, and John Wall was willing to do it, and Gianelli was
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willing to do it, and, I think, General
was willing to do it. But I was the only one
who was saying that it shouldn't be divided up. But for some reason, I don't know why
they did, but they listened to me and decided to keep it in Civil Works because Gianelli
was so strong all the time on having something to say about what hydrology did.
Lloyd agreed to it because he knew me well enough, and we had worked together long
enough. He figured he could still work with me even though I wasn't in his division but
he did it reluctantly. I mean he wasn't really enthusiastic about it. Whoever was the
Director of Military Engineering at the time really didn't give a damn one way or the
other. He could care less.
Then they asked me, "Well, what does your organization want to be? Do you want it to
be a division, branch, office, etc. Well, we didn't even know what to name it. But we
ended up saying it was a division, even though it was a light division compared to
the others. They called it a division while I was there.
So we were a division for all the Civil Works staff meetings and things like that. But all
the other division chiefs had a higher grade, and they had a lot more people working for
them. But, anyway, it worked out all right as far as I was concerned because I was able
to work for Lloyd, and John Wall never did worry about that at all.
As a matter of fact, he encouraged close cooperation between Lloyd and myself, and I
didn't have to go through him on any of the things that I was dealing with Lloyd on,
especially on the hydraulic design. He didn't even want to hear about it. The only thing
he wanted to be involved with was anything that Gianelli was concerned about. He says,
"Anything that Gianelli is concerned about, I want to hear about that. I want to have
something to say about it.
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Well, I was chief historian for the Corps for a number of years. General Wall had us do
a special study of the Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Army for Civil Works.
Well, Wall, he was a special person. There was nobody like him, I don't think. He's a
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one of a kind for sure.
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